WO2004088441A2 - Verfahren zur näherungsweisen bestimmung eines messzeitpunktes und entsprechende vorrichtung - Google Patents
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- the invention relates to a method for determining a measurement instant (t M ), at which a field device
- Process automation technology generates a measured value, the field device communicating its measured values at specific communication times (t
- the field device is, for example, a level measuring device.
- the measured values are, for example, the level, the pressure, the viscosity, the density or the pH of a medium.
- the fieldbus is, for example, a Profibus®.
- Field devices / measuring devices e.g. for measuring and / or monitoring the fill level of a medium produced and sold in a container. These measuring devices usually deliver their measured values or generally the chemical or physical process variables for further processing to a fieldbus. The aim is that the
- Measurement data are as up to date as possible, i.e. reflect the current state of the medium. This is particularly relevant if the frequency of the queries or inquiries is in the order of magnitude of the possible measurement frequency. Therefore, the measurement data should only be generated shortly before communication. To do this, however, it must be known when the request via the fieldbus will take place. This time depends, for example, on how many measuring devices are connected to the fieldbus. If the number of measuring devices is increased, the time interval between the requests increases. The configuration of the entire system can also be changed so that the distances vary. So there are no fixed time intervals. This problem is particularly present when the request comes from a central control unit via the fieldbus and when the field devices do not communicate their data independently or at least know about the rest of the events on and around the fieldbus. If the inquiries take place at such large intervals that several measurements are possible in the meantime, efforts can also be made to reduce the energy consumption by not carrying out unnecessary measurements which are not queried.
- the object of the invention is therefore to approximately determine the time of a request from the central control unit in order to generate the measured value accordingly. A method and a corresponding device are required for this.
- the object is achieved in that the following communication time (t f ) is determined at least approximately from at least two communication times (t ⁇ ; t' ⁇ ) and that the measurement time (tu) is based on the approximately determined communication time (t f ) is determined.
- the measurement time (t M ) should be as short as possible before the approximately determined communication time (t f ) and thus before the measurement value is transmitted. From the previous times of communication, future inquiries are therefore concluded, for example by averaging the previous times. The procedure therefore presupposes that requests have already been made; the method cannot be used to start up a system, for example. It is advantageous in the method to approximately determine the following communication time (tf) with the directly preceding communication time (t «) after each communication. For example, if the number of measuring devices changes or there is a change in the overall configuration, the distance between the requests will also change. The measurement time (t) must be determined so that the distance to the
- Communication time (t f ) is as small as possible. However, the measurement time (t M ) should also be such that the measurement value is actually communicated can. If it is known that the generation of a measured value can take different times, this must be taken into account.
- An advantageous embodiment provides that the measurement time (tu) is also communicated with the measurement value. This is when evaluating a
- Time series important in order to be able to classify the measured values over time Communication of the measurement time M) is particularly important when the measurement times have different time intervals. Therefore, this communication also enables a time evaluation of the measured values.
- x seconds. Accordingly, the following communication time (t f ) results as the time of the directly previous request (t " ⁇ ) plus x seconds.
- this distance (A) can either be added at the time of the penultimate request or the distance (A) is divided by 2 and added at the time of the immediately preceding request (t " ⁇ ). Further variants of averaging are possible, for example only a time interval can be used for the approximate determination of the next following communication time (t f ).
- An advantageous embodiment provides that at least two time intervals (A- ⁇ , A 2 ) between at least two previous communication times (t ⁇ , t' ⁇ , t « 2 , t' ⁇ 2) are calculated that from the time intervals (Ai , A 2 ) an average value (M) is formed, and that the following communication time (t f ) is approximately determined on the basis of the average value (M) and a previous communication time (t " ⁇ ).
- Three queries - ie, for example t ' ⁇ t ⁇ 2 - have taken place so that the time intervals (A- ⁇ , A 2 ) can be determined between two inquiries and the mean value (M) can be formed
- An advantageous embodiment includes that in the event that the time interval (A b ) to the approximately determined communication time (t f ) is less than a minimum value (K), the communication time (tf) is approximately determined based on this minimum value (K) the smallest value (K) is determined from the minimum time interval (A m i n ), which is possible between two successive measurements due to technical circumstances. It can happen that the
- An advantageous embodiment provides that in the event that the time interval (A b ) up to the approximately determined time of communication (t f ) is greater than a limit value (G), the time of communication (tf) is based on the time interval (A ' b ) is approximately determined, which was used for the approximate determination of the previous approximately determined time of communication (t f ), the limit value (G) being a limit between a temporal Distance between requests in a normal communication cycle and a time interval in a disturbed communication cycle of the control unit.
- G a limit between a temporal Distance between requests in a normal communication cycle and a time interval in a disturbed communication cycle of the control unit.
- field / measuring devices can be parameterized, i.e. parameters can be reset by a parameterization unit. Such a process usually takes significantly longer than the interval between normal requests from the central control unit. If such a parameterization is carried out on a measuring device, the request arrives at a field device that follows this in the order of the request significantly later. Such an intervention cannot be
- the object relating to the device is achieved in such a way that at least one fieldbus communication unit is provided, which communicates at least the measured value when there is a request from the control unit, and that at least one output / control unit is provided, which controls the measurement time (t) of the field device, wherein the fieldbus communication unit transmits at least the time of communication (t «) to the output / control unit.
- the device thus contains a fieldbus communication unit - for example an ASIC - which accepts queries from the fieldbus and determines whether the query is directed to the special field device.
- the output / control unit which is, for example, a corresponding microprocessor, is informed of the communication times (t ⁇ ) and, based on this, approximately determines the following communication time (t f ). The time of measurement (tu) is then determined and the measurement is triggered appropriately.
- Fig. 2 a block diagram of the device.
- Fig. 1 shows schematically the sequence of the method of the invention.
- the minimum value K is taken from the technical situation. It specifies the minimum time interval that can lie between two measurements due to the technology.
- the limit value G indicates the limit that lies between a distance between communication times in a normal communication cycle and a distance in a communication cycle that is disturbed, for example, by parameterization. The duration of this Distances differ sufficiently that the limit value G can be determined, for example, by statistical evaluation of a large number of communication times.
- the time of communication For example, the distance between several points in time can be determined and averaged accordingly. Based on the previous, last point in time of communication, an approximate determination is then made for the next point in time. If the distance to the next communication time is smaller than the minimum value K, the requests from the central control unit take place faster than the process variables of the medium, for example the fill level, being able to be measured. The following communication time t f is therefore calculated from this minimum value K, for example by adding the minimum value to the last communication time t ⁇ ⁇ . If the time interval is smaller than the limit value G, then only a normal request has taken place and the communication cycle is undisturbed. If the time interval is longer, a fault has occurred, for example in the form of a parameterization intervention.
- the field device had to communicate an "outdated" measured value. Since it is not to be expected that an intervention will then take place again, it makes more sense to approximately determine the next communication time t f, for example, using the data from the previous approximate determination After using the approximate determination of the communication time t f , the optimal measurement time t M is determined, which should be as short as possible before the communication time t f , in order to avoid that the measurement value is "outdated". At the same time, however, the measurement time tM should also be such that the measurement value can be communicated as directly as possible in the request, in order not to produce any delays. This determination of the measurement time t M depends very much on the intrinsic Properties of the measuring device. If this measuring time t is reached, the measured value is generated and communicated by the fieldbus after the request.
- FIG. 2 shows a block diagram of the device with a field bus 5, on which in this example three field devices 1 - for example one
- Level measuring device a central control unit 10 - for example a programmable logic controller, PLC - and a parameterization unit 6 - for example a computer - are connected.
- the field devices 1 have a fieldbus communication unit 15 - for example an ASIC - and an output Z control unit 20 - for example a corresponding microprocessor. Parameters in the field devices 1 can be changed, for example, via the parameterization unit 25.
- the output Z control unit 20 is designed in such a way that it fixes the time of the measurement on the basis of the previous communication times, about which it receives knowledge from the fieldbus communication unit 15.
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| EP04724593A EP1609031B1 (de) | 2003-04-02 | 2004-03-31 | Feldgerät zur Vorausbestimmung eines Messzeitpunktes |
| CA002521119A CA2521119C (en) | 2003-04-02 | 2004-03-31 | Method for approximating a measuring time and corresponding apparatus |
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