EP3564591B1 - Procédé de détection du lieu de montage d'une sonde de température externe d'une installation de chauffage - Google Patents

Procédé de détection du lieu de montage d'une sonde de température externe d'une installation de chauffage Download PDF

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EP3564591B1
EP3564591B1 EP19172180.2A EP19172180A EP3564591B1 EP 3564591 B1 EP3564591 B1 EP 3564591B1 EP 19172180 A EP19172180 A EP 19172180A EP 3564591 B1 EP3564591 B1 EP 3564591B1
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    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24D—DOMESTIC- OR SPACE-HEATING SYSTEMS, e.g. CENTRAL HEATING SYSTEMS; DOMESTIC HOT-WATER SUPPLY SYSTEMS; ELEMENTS OR COMPONENTS THEREFOR
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    • F24D19/10—Arrangement or mounting of control or safety devices
    • F24D19/1006—Arrangement or mounting of control or safety devices for water heating systems
    • F24D19/1009—Arrangement or mounting of control or safety devices for water heating systems for central heating
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24H—FLUID HEATERS, e.g. WATER OR AIR HEATERS, HAVING HEAT-GENERATING MEANS, e.g. HEAT PUMPS, IN GENERAL
    • F24H15/00—Control of fluid heaters
    • F24H15/10—Control of fluid heaters characterised by the purpose of the control
    • F24H15/104—Inspection; Diagnosis; Trial operation
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24H—FLUID HEATERS, e.g. WATER OR AIR HEATERS, HAVING HEAT-GENERATING MEANS, e.g. HEAT PUMPS, IN GENERAL
    • F24H15/00—Control of fluid heaters
    • F24H15/20—Control of fluid heaters characterised by control inputs
    • F24H15/258—Outdoor temperature
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24H—FLUID HEATERS, e.g. WATER OR AIR HEATERS, HAVING HEAT-GENERATING MEANS, e.g. HEAT PUMPS, IN GENERAL
    • F24H15/00—Control of fluid heaters
    • F24H15/20—Control of fluid heaters characterised by control inputs
    • F24H15/262—Weather information or forecast
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24H—FLUID HEATERS, e.g. WATER OR AIR HEATERS, HAVING HEAT-GENERATING MEANS, e.g. HEAT PUMPS, IN GENERAL
    • F24H15/00—Control of fluid heaters
    • F24H15/20—Control of fluid heaters characterised by control inputs
    • F24H15/269—Time, e.g. hour or date
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24D—DOMESTIC- OR SPACE-HEATING SYSTEMS, e.g. CENTRAL HEATING SYSTEMS; DOMESTIC HOT-WATER SUPPLY SYSTEMS; ELEMENTS OR COMPONENTS THEREFOR
    • F24D2220/00—Components of central heating installations excluding heat sources
    • F24D2220/04—Sensors
    • F24D2220/042—Temperature sensors
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24F—AIR-CONDITIONING; AIR-HUMIDIFICATION; VENTILATION; USE OF AIR CURRENTS FOR SCREENING
    • F24F2130/00—Control inputs relating to environmental factors not covered by group F24F2110/00
    • F24F2130/10—Weather information or forecasts

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  • the invention relates to a method for detecting the installation location of an outside temperature sensor in a heating system.
  • the outside temperature sensor should be mounted on the north wall of the house to exclude the influence of solar radiation.
  • the outside temperature sensor is often mounted on the wall closest to where the heating is installed. This results in the problem that, for example, with an outside temperature sensor mounted on the south wall, solar radiation generates a measured value that is significantly higher than the temperature of the outside air. The result would be an adjustment of the heating curve, which in such cases can lead to the result that too little heat output is generated to heat the building as required.
  • a heating control with a data receiver which receives weather forecast data, and an outside temperature sensor is known. A difference is made between weather forecast data and measured values, and characteristic deviations are formed from this. This deviation can be used to adapt weather forecast data to the individual location and thus to heat as required.
  • DE 10 2008 034923 A1 is a method of controlling the climatic conditions of a building using outdoor temperature sensors and Known data receiver for weather forecast data. It is disclosed to check the plausibility of the readings from the outside temperature sensors. To this end, she teaches DE 10 2008 034923 A1 , in a plausibility level, to monitor whether a limit value or a limit gradient is exceeded or not reached, in order to identify implausible measured values. This document therefore discloses the preamble of independent claim 1.
  • the object of the invention is a refinement of the command variable of a heating control system with an outside temperature sensor and weather forecast data for individual heating systems.
  • Advantageous configurations result from the features of the dependent claims.
  • figure 1 typical temperature curves over a day.
  • the figure shows two temperature curves over one day; the continuous line is intended to represent the weather data from the Internet, which comes from a weather station, for example, and is assigned to the region in which the heating system is operated.
  • weather stations are operated, for example, by the German Weather Service and the Federal Ministry for the Environment, Nature Conservation and Nuclear Safety; they provide current weather data and often a forecast for the near future.
  • the measuring sensors of such weather stations are positioned in such a way that the measured values are influenced as little as possible by interference effects.
  • the dashed line represents the line of an outside temperature sensor of an individual heating system.
  • the exemplary embodiment shows that the temperature measured by the outside temperature sensor is lower than the temperature of the associated weather station, in whose region the individual heating system is operated, especially at night.
  • the temperature of the outside temperature sensor is higher. This is probably due to the outside temperature sensor being off between 7am and 4:30pm is exposed to the sun and is therefore presumably on the south-east side. If one compares several days, one would expect that the course during the day is very dependent on the intensity of the sun. On cloudy days, the temperature measured by the outside temperature sensor may not be the temperature of the weather station, even during the day. It can also be expected that the sun phase will be shorter in winter.
  • intelligent heating control in this case assumes that the nocturnal deviation is based on geographical reasons and would therefore assume that there is an offset between the weather station and the outside temperature sensor. This offset could then also be subtracted from the current temperature of the weather station during the day in order to arrive at the supposedly correct outside temperature at the house without sun exposure.
  • the method according to the invention for detecting the position of an outside temperature sensor in a heating system with control and compensation for incorrect positioning initially provides that control of a heating system is connected both to an outside temperature sensor and to a weather detection service.
  • the connection to the weather recording service can be established via radio or the Internet and can include both the currently recorded weather data and a weather forecast.
  • the control records the course of the temperature T A , the outside temperature sensor and the weather recording service T W .
  • the temperature T A,T of the outside temperature sensor is greater than the temperature of the weather detection service T w,T during the day, and the temperature difference during the day ⁇ T T is therefore positive.
  • the method can optionally be carried out at representative times for the day and night phases (e.g. 2:00 and 13:00).
  • the procedure can be carried out at representative times (e.g. between 0:00 and 3:00 and 11:00 to 14:00). Multiple times and/or time periods can be considered.
  • a nocturnal offset is formed between the temperature T A,N of the outside temperature sensor and the temperature of the weather detection service T w,N and is used in controlling the heating to correct the manipulated variable in the form of the weather detection service temperature T w .
  • Both the actual temperature measured by the weather recording service and the weather forecast can be used to control the heating.

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  1. Procédé de détection de la position d'une sonde de température externe d'une installation de chauffage avec une régulation et une compensation d'un mauvais positionnement, dans lequel la régulation de l'installation de chauffage est également reliée à un service de collecte météorologique, dans lequel la régulation enregistre et compare le profil de température de la sonde de température externe et du service de collecte météorologique, en déduit des données de correction, et commande le chauffage en fonction des données du service de collecte météorologique, qui sont ajustées aux données de correction, caractérisé en ce que lorsque la différence de température entre la sonde de température externe et le service de collecte météorologique pendant la journée est supérieure à la différence de température entre la sonde de température externe et le service de collecte météorologique pendant la nuit d'au moins une valeur limite prédéterminée, un message d'avertissement de positionnement est émis.
  2. Procédé de détection de la position d'une sonde de température externe d'une installation de chauffage avec une régulation et une compensation d'un mauvais positionnement selon la revendication 1, caractérisé en ce qu'entre le coucher et le lever du soleil, une différence de température moyenne entre les températures de la sonde de température externe et du service de collecte météorologique est déterminée et cette différence de température sert de décalage pour commander la régulation du chauffage au moyen des données du service de collecte météorologique.
  3. Procédé de détection de la position d'une sonde de température externe d'une installation de chauffage avec une régulation et une compensation d'un mauvais positionnement selon la revendication 1 ou 2, caractérisé en ce que si la différence de température entre la sonde de température externe et le service de collecte météorologique change de manière significative pendant la journée, un message d'avertissement de positionnement est émis.
  4. Procédé de détection de la position d'une sonde de température externe d'une installation de chauffage avec une régulation et une compensation d'un mauvais positionnement selon l'une quelconque des revendications 1 à 3, caractérisé en ce qu'une information de positionnement correct ou incorrect est émise vers un installateur via une connexion de données.
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