EP3564591A1 - Procédé de détection du lieu de montage d'une sonde de température externe d'une installation de chauffage - Google Patents

Procédé de détection du lieu de montage d'une sonde de température externe d'une installation de chauffage Download PDF

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EP3564591A1
EP3564591A1 EP19172180.2A EP19172180A EP3564591A1 EP 3564591 A1 EP3564591 A1 EP 3564591A1 EP 19172180 A EP19172180 A EP 19172180A EP 3564591 A1 EP3564591 A1 EP 3564591A1
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    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24D—DOMESTIC- OR SPACE-HEATING SYSTEMS, e.g. CENTRAL HEATING SYSTEMS; DOMESTIC HOT-WATER SUPPLY SYSTEMS; ELEMENTS OR COMPONENTS THEREFOR
    • F24D19/00—Details
    • F24D19/10—Arrangement or mounting of control or safety devices
    • F24D19/1006—Arrangement or mounting of control or safety devices for water heating systems
    • F24D19/1009—Arrangement or mounting of control or safety devices for water heating systems for central heating
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24H—FLUID HEATERS, e.g. WATER OR AIR HEATERS, HAVING HEAT-GENERATING MEANS, e.g. HEAT PUMPS, IN GENERAL
    • F24H15/00—Control of fluid heaters
    • F24H15/10—Control of fluid heaters characterised by the purpose of the control
    • F24H15/104—Inspection; Diagnosis; Trial operation
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24H—FLUID HEATERS, e.g. WATER OR AIR HEATERS, HAVING HEAT-GENERATING MEANS, e.g. HEAT PUMPS, IN GENERAL
    • F24H15/00—Control of fluid heaters
    • F24H15/20—Control of fluid heaters characterised by control inputs
    • F24H15/258—Outdoor temperature
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24H—FLUID HEATERS, e.g. WATER OR AIR HEATERS, HAVING HEAT-GENERATING MEANS, e.g. HEAT PUMPS, IN GENERAL
    • F24H15/00—Control of fluid heaters
    • F24H15/20—Control of fluid heaters characterised by control inputs
    • F24H15/262—Weather information or forecast
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24H—FLUID HEATERS, e.g. WATER OR AIR HEATERS, HAVING HEAT-GENERATING MEANS, e.g. HEAT PUMPS, IN GENERAL
    • F24H15/00—Control of fluid heaters
    • F24H15/20—Control of fluid heaters characterised by control inputs
    • F24H15/269—Time, e.g. hour or date
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24D—DOMESTIC- OR SPACE-HEATING SYSTEMS, e.g. CENTRAL HEATING SYSTEMS; DOMESTIC HOT-WATER SUPPLY SYSTEMS; ELEMENTS OR COMPONENTS THEREFOR
    • F24D2220/00—Components of central heating installations excluding heat sources
    • F24D2220/04—Sensors
    • F24D2220/042—Temperature sensors
    • F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
    • F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
    • F24F—AIR-CONDITIONING; AIR-HUMIDIFICATION; VENTILATION; USE OF AIR CURRENTS FOR SCREENING
    • F24F2130/00—Control inputs relating to environmental factors not covered by group F24F2110/00
    • F24F2130/10—Weather information or forecasts

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  • the invention relates to a method for detecting the mounting location of an outside temperature sensor of a heating system.
  • the outside temperature sensor In the case of a weather-compensated heating control, the outside temperature sensor should be mounted on the north wall of the house to prevent the influence of solar radiation. However, the outdoor temperature sensor is often mounted on the wall closest to the heater mounting location. This results in the problem that, for example, in a mounted on the south wall outside temperature sensor solar radiation emits a reading which is well above the temperature of the outside air. An adaptation of the heating curve would be the result, in which case it can lead to the result that too little heating power is generated in order to heat the building as needed.
  • Out DE 102005032621 A1 is a heating control with a data receiver, which receives weather forecast data, and an outside temperature sensor known. A difference between weather forecast data and measured values is created and characteristic deviations are formed from this. This deviation can be used to adapt weather forecast data to the individual location and thus to heat as needed.
  • the object of the invention is a refinement of the reference variable of a heating control with outside temperature sensor and weather forecast data to individual heating systems.
  • FIG. 1 typical temperature variations over one day.
  • the figure shows two temperature profiles over one day; the continuous line is intended to represent the weather data from the Internet, which originate for example from a weather station and the region in which the heating system is operated, are assigned.
  • Such weather stations are operated, for example, by the German Weather Service and the Federal Ministry for the Environment, Nature Conservation and Nuclear Safety; They provide up-to-the-minute weather data and often a forecast for the near future.
  • the sensors of such weather stations are positioned in such a way that the measured values are influenced as little as possible by disturbing effects.
  • the dashed line represents the line of an outside temperature sensor of an individual heating system.
  • the embodiment shows that in particular at night the temperature measured by means of the outside temperature sensor is lower than the temperature of the associated weather station in whose region the individual heating system is operated.
  • the temperature of the outside temperature sensor is higher. This is probably due to the fact that the outdoor temperature sensor is exposed to the sun between 7 am and 4.30 pm and is therefore presumably on the southeast side. If one compares several days, one would expect that the course during the day is very dependent on the intensity of the sun. On cloudy days, the temperature measured by the outside temperature sensor may not be the temperature of the weather station during the day. Furthermore, it is to be expected that in winter the solar phase is shorter.
  • intelligent heating control in this case assumes that the nocturnal deviation is based on geography and would therefore assume that there is an offset between the weather station and the outside temperature sensor. This offset could then be deducted from the current temperature of the weather station during the day to arrive at the presumed correct outdoor temperature at the house without sun exposure.
  • the inventive method for detecting the position of an outside temperature sensor of a heating system with a control and compensation for incorrect positioning initially provides that a control of a heating system is connected to both an outdoor temperature sensor, as well as a weather detection service.
  • the connection with the weather detection service can be made via radio or internet and include both the currently recorded weather data and a weather forecast.
  • the control detects the course of the temperature T A of the outside temperature sensor and the weather detection service T w .
  • a temperature difference ⁇ T is formed between the temperature T A of the outside temperature sensor and the weather detection service T w . If the temperature difference at night ⁇ T N is significantly smaller than the temperature difference during the day ⁇ T T , this is an indication that during the day the sensor is directly or indirectly exposed to solar radiation during the day.
  • the temperature difference at night ⁇ T N T A , N - T w, N is negative. It depends on the absolute value of the temperature difference .DELTA.T.
  • the temperature difference during the day ⁇ T T is therefore positive.
  • the temperature difference ⁇ T T - ⁇ T N is now compared with a limit .DELTA.T G.
  • the method may optionally be performed at representative times for the day and night phases (e.g., 2:00 and 13:00).
  • the method may be performed at representative time periods (e.g., between 0:00 and 3:00 and 11:00 to 14:00). Several times and / or periods can be considered.
  • a nighttime offset between the temperature T A , N of the outside temperature sensor and the temperature of the weather detection service T w, N is formed and used in the control of the heater to correct the manipulated variable in the form of the weather detection service temperature T w .

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